The following are quotes from 2005 graduates/students during many discussions:

"In my math class, my teacher would be trying to figure out how to teach the problems while we sat there. Finally, the teacher would just throw up their hands and say "I don't know."

"Our teacher would get mixed up in their explanation of it and confuse everything. The teachers don't understand it."

"Teachers gave make-up tests after almost every test so we could be given better grades because the class grades were so low."

"I got an F in college math because I was not prepared going in. I didn't know the material college taught. I had never seen it before."

"Here we are in 12th grade and learning probability and statistics by counting how many blue M&M's are in an M&M bag. And we did it for weeks."

"Integrated math is pointless."

"I think I would have done much better on the SAT's if it wasn't for Integrated Math."

"I think I would be doing better in all my college classes if I had traditional math, because I would have had a better all-round education because math is used in so many other subjects."

"Everyone I know that took Integrated Math either failed or is failing college math - and those are the 'dummy' (remedial) math courses!"

"I'm afraid to transfer to business track because I'm afraid I won't be able to do the math. I'd like to be able to consider engineering too, but I know I'd never be able to do the math. I feel like I'm stuck getting a liberal arts degree."

"I wish I had taken the technical school track instead of college track. Then I'd at least have been trained in a trade."

"If you look at who went to college for careers in a technical field - they were the ones who took real math (traditional honors) courses in high school." (only honors offered traditional math last year. Not anymore)

"The people who took honors math are the ones going for technical fields, pharmacy, etc. The people I know who took Integrated Math are going for Liberal Arts degrees or trades even though some of them want more technical fields."

"I can bring you as many people as you want to say that Integrated Math ruined them for college math and for considering a good career. It scared them away from considering careers in technical or engineering fields because they are afraid of the math."

"Integrated math is mostly reading. It takes like 3 pages to explain how to do 1 problem, and then they give you a few problems to do but not enough to really teach it."

"I don't feel that I understand anything beyond the basics of algebra, geometry, trig. There was not enough practice to get beyond the basics."

"Yeah, we only got the basics each year. And we don't learn enough to remember each thing. In college, it starts as basically review, but of stuff we never had. I was failing and had to withdraw from the class."

"Integrated math is like math for schizophrenics. It jumps around too much to really get it."

"I used to think I knew trig and was fairly good at it. But on the college placement test, I could only answer 5 out of 15 questions and I'm not even sure I got them right. The test had signs and symbols I've never seen before in my life."

"In college I was put in the 'dummy math' - remedial math, and I'm really struggling to learn it because I really would like to go into a technical field. I'm having a lot of trouble, but for the first time in my life I am enjoying math because I'm learning things that should have been taught to me in high school and it's interesting. It's also not Integrated Math which is incredibly boring."

For graphing: "Basically, we enter the equation in the calculator and the calculator shows us the graph. We didn't even copy it to paper. Four years of graphing was take the calculator, press y=, put in the equation, and the graph comes up. That's it. How are we supposed to learn anything from that?"

"The only way I can do math is pretty much on a calculator. In college, they expect you to know how to do a lot of the work without a calculator."

"Quakertown School screwed us."

Some unable to get into professional unions - The electricians union in Philadelphia told an integrated math graduate that he could not take the test or get into the union unless he could show his algebra scores from high school. They refused to take his integrated math scores because they said they would not recognize it as just his algebra scores. They also would not let him take the test until he could show his algebra scores. He had to go to college just for algebra to be able to show them the scores so he can get into the union.

Current Seniors (From 4 students that were A's and B's in Integrated Math):

"On my college placement test, I had to leave more than 1/2 of the math questions blank because I'd never seen that stuff before." UPDATE NOTE: All these students were placed into remedial math in college. One of them was in Honors Int. Math student in high school and a B in it)

"I got a basic (below average) in the math section of my PSSA. There was a meeting in the cafeteria for all the seniors who got basic. The room was filled. They said for anyone who got a basic in reading and one other thing to go to another classroom. Only 4 people left. Then the principal came in, yelled at us, and said we wouldn't graduate unless we got a proficient on the re-test and said we had to go for remediation. It turned out that almost 50% of the senior class got a basic in math. Why are they blaming us because we don't know it? It's because of the math they're teaching us. We're not learning anything. Half the kids in class tune out because it's so boring. The ones that listen still don't get it."

"The Debate Team was going to debate Integrated Math, but no one would take the position for it. So we just talked about how terrible the program is instead." (Head of the Debate Team)

Current high school 9-11th:

"Our teacher tries to teach us, but is so confused that she confuses us. She'll put down the right answer, then change it, then hesitate and go "hmmm", then change it back."

"Our teacher told us he has to help us "discover" the connections in Integrated Math so that we actually do make the connections."